Staying safe from the Borel-Kolmogorov paradox [probability theory]

Hello everyone

I have recently learned about the existence of the Borel-Kolmogorov paradox which says in essence that the act of computing a conditional probability distribution is ill-defined on continuous probability space (when you condition on an event that has probability 0), and I'm trying to further my understanding of it so that I can be safe from mistakes.

In the discrete world: [;p(x|y) = \frac{p(x,y)}{p(y)} ;]. However, if we use this formula in the continuous world, the paradox manifests itself as [; p(X|Y=y_0) ;] and [;p(X|U=u_0);] being potentially different when the change of variable between Y and U is such that [;Y(u_0)=y_0;].

The [english wikipedia article] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borel%E2%80%93Kolmogorov_paradox) offers a good reference with an example.

The reason for the ill-definition of the conditioning event is that you have to specify what limit process takes you to your probability 0 event. Different processes can have the same limit probability 0 event, while producing different conditionals. When you use the formula I wrote above to condition of $Y=y_0$, that apparently corresponds to conditioning on [;Y \in [y_0-\epsilon, y_0+\epsilon];] and letting [;\epsilon \rightarrow 0;]

In order to justify one approximation frame instead of the other, I think you can appeal to the following physicalist intuition: you can't measure values exactly for your random variables. What you measure instead is [;(true Value + \epsilon noise);] where [;\epsilon;] is a small constant, and the noise is Gaussian. If I'm not mistaken, the conditional in the limit [;\epsilon \rightarrow 0;] gives the conventional formula. The presence of this noise justifies one frame of reference being superior to the other. Even if you now operate a change of variable, your limiting sequence will still be defined in the original space.

This idea of an infinitesimal measurement noise is a way to avoid problems that you encounter in the continuous probability domain. Has this been formally explored by some authors ? My only reference on the danger of the continuous world is Jaynes, and he only swears by coming back to the discrete world, which is of course fine, but I'm looking for something different.

Do you have some other interesting insights on Borel-Kolmogorov ?

ps: why does my Tex look all fucky ? I followed the sidebar advice :-(

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[D] Using the "Kolmogorov-Smirnov" test to safeguard against Concept Drift?

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Suppose we have three variables : x1 (predictor), x2 (predictor) and y (target). We are interested in making a regression model y ~ x1,x2. We have some current data, and we make the regression model (could be any machine learning or statistical model, I just used regression for simplicity). This model is working fine, but now the question of "concept drift" arises : How do we know that this regression model will keep working in the future? What if the underlying process that is generating the data has started to (significantly) change? Perhaps it's time to retrain the model, or to restart completely?

I understand that this is a very abstract concept and that there is no single answer to deal with this. But here is an idea I had : suppose we decided to compare all the marginal and conditional distributions for all combinations of variables, for old vs new data - if these distributions are "statistically similar" (e.g. determined by the Kolmogorov-Smirnov test) - is there some grounds to believe that no major form of concept drift has occurred? I understand this might not be the best approach - converting the observed data into continuous probability distributions (using kernel density estimation) comes with its own statistical risk, these continuous probability distributions might not fit the data well, therefore the results from the Kolmogorov-Smirnov test might be deceptive.

What does everyone think of this approach for studying concept drift?

Thanks

(would it be better to use the Kullback-Leibler Divergence instead of the Kolmogorov-Smirnov test?)

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"The universal approximation theorem says that we can approximate any borel-measurable function with a neural network with a single hidden layer. Provided that hidden layer can go to infinite length."

Can someone please explain to me in simple terms, what is a borel set?

I tried reading the wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borel_set

But this didn't make a lot of sense.

Can someone please help me understand what is a Borel Set?

Thanks

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  3. The probability of the union of disjoint events is the sum of the probabilities of those events

But they didn't teach me where do this 3 come from. I mean, how did Kolmogorov come up with that the 3 statements here were the probability axioms you could use for building the whole probability theory?

And, about the 3 axiom, why is that an axiom and how would you show that it holds for any set of events if it wasn't considered an axiom?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_axioms

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Thanks

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