A list of puns related to "Bill Sharman"
Thanks again for all the positive comments I've gotten on these! It can be a little nerve wracking putting OC out there. Hope you all like the Bill Sharman entry. From this point on, you might notice some of the same information being repeated in different entries, especially with the '50s and '60s guys, but I wanted people to be able to read any one of these and have them make sense and give a complete picture without having to read the previous entries.
Born in Abilene, Texas in 1926, Bill Sharman re-located to Porterville, California by the time he was in high school. Sharman joined the US Navy after graduating in 1944, with World War II still raging. After serving, he attended the University of Southern California from 1946 to β50. In 1950, Sharman was First Team All-Conference for the second straight year and First Team All-American and his number β11β has been retired by USC.
Sharman was picked 17th overall in the 1950 NBA draft by the Washington Capitols. That year also marked the beginning of Sharmanβs minor league baseball career, which lasted until 1955. In the end, he only played one season in Washington as the Capitols folded after his rookie year. He was then signed by the Fort Wayne (now Detroit) Pistons, who traded him to the Boston Celtics prior to the 1951-52 season.
Sharman was one of the best shooters of his generation, both from the field and especially from the line, earning him the nickname βBullseye Bill.β He led the league a record seven times in free throw percentage, including a record five times in a row from 1953 to β57. With players like Bill Russell and Jim Loscutoff shoring up the defense on a team that already had excellent offense, the Celtics and Sharman won their first title in 1957 against the St. Louis Hawks. Sharman would win three more with the Celtics before he was done, against the Minneapolis Lakers in 1959 and the Hawks again in β60 and β61. The Celtics made the finals in 1958 as well, but lost to the Hawks.
Along with four titles, Sharman was named First Team All-NBA four straight years from 1956 to β59, All-NBA Second Team in 1953, β55 and β60, and was an All-Star eight straight years, from 1953 to β60. He currently sits at 11th all time among Celtics players in points. Among his career highs are an astronomical 93% free throw percentage (an NBA record until the 1970s) in 1958-59 and 22.3 points per game in β57-58. His number β21
... keep reading on reddit β‘Bill Sharman 1957 ASG to close out a quarter - the longest shot in ASG history:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPKMGlLhqXA
John Trapp bets Wilt Chamberlain 5 dollars against being able to make some deep corner hook shots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0IC8Nwkd1w
Rick Barry accepts a shooting challenge from George Plimpton (lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVtzhmRzotI
The Hornets have 5 players averaging between 16 and 20 ppg:
Bridges - 19.5ppg
Ball - 19.3ppg
Rozier - 17.5ppg
Hayward - 17.2ppg
Oubre - 16.6ppg
All five of these players have played at least 3/4 of the Hornets' games, so it's not even a situation where these guys aren't all playing at the same time. Oubre has played every game, Hayward has missed one game, Bridges has missed two, Ball has missed six, Rozier has missed nine games.
I am still trying to verify if this is the only time a team has had 5 players score this much, but I came across an article about the 2020 Raptors having 5 15ppg scorers and having been the first team since the 1974 Buffalo Braves to even do that, and have yet to find a team with more aside from the 50-60s Celtics. The closest I've been able to find are:
1957-58 Celtics (five players over 16.5! Sharman, Cousy, Heinsohn, Russell, Ramsey), along with a bunch of other Celtics teams from that era that perennially had several players averaging right around 15. Watch out Ramsey, the T$unami Papi is coming for your crown.
1959-60 Celtics actually had 4 players over 18, possibly making Bill Russell (18.2ppg) one of (if not the) highest scoring 4th option ever. Pace was otherworldly back then, and the Celtics averaged nearly 25-30 more possessions per game than any modern NBA team.
2019-20 Raptors (five players over 15.4- Siakam, Lowry, VanVleet, Powell, Ibaka)
1973-74 Buffalo Braves (five players over 15.2- McAdoo, McMillian, DiGregorio, Heard, Smith)
EDIT:
In the brief time that the 2018-19 Philly 76ers had Embiid, Simmons, Redick, Butler, and Harris, Ben Simmons' 16.9ppg for the season (16.8 when all five were on the roster together) actually becomes the record. However, this roster only existed for 28 games, and Embiid, the leading scorer, missed over half of them and the five man unit only played a total of 10 regular season games together if I can count correctly. But definitely an honorable mention. Thanks to /u/xpillinddass for pointing this one out.
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Any other super balanced scoring quintets in NBA history I'm missing?
Next 25 of the NBA's 75th Anniversary Team (In Order of Tweeting):
RICK BARRY - 70s GS
ELGIN BAYLOR - 60s LAL
WILT CHAMBERLAIN 60s LAL
BILLY CUNNINGHAM 60/70 PHI
ANTHONY DAVIS 2010s NO
DAVE DEBUSSCHERE 60s - DET
KEVIN DURANT 2010s OKC
WALT FRAZIER 70s NYK
KEVIN GARNETT 2000s MIN
ELVIN HAYES 70s WAS
ALLEN IVERSON 2000s PHI
DAMIAN LILLARD 2010s POR
JERRY LUCAS 60s NYK
PETE MARAVICH 70s ATL
EARL MONROE 70s NYK
HAKEEM OLAJUWON 90s HOU
ROBERT PARISH 80s BOS
CHRIS PAUL 2010s
GARY PAYTON 1990s SEA
BOB PETTIT 60s ATL
OSCAR ROBERTSON 60s SAC
DENNIS RODMAN 1980s
DOLPH SCHAYES 1960s
BILL SHARMAN 1960s
Looks like the 90s lock in is going to be Hakeem or Gary!
This interview with Wilt from 1996 is one of my all-time favourites.
But some time after 2017 the NBA decided to take it down for reasons that totally escape me.
Luckily the good folks at WayBack Machine have it preserved.
But I want to reproduce the full text here just in case that site ever goes down:
A CONVERSATION WITH THE NBA LEGEND
Back in 1996, in conjunction with the year-long celebration of "The NBA at 50," NBA Entertainment conducted a number of interviews with some of the most memorable and influential personalities of the NBA's first half-century. Now, the full, uneditied transcripts of those interviews have been made available exclusively to NBA.com. Check back often, as we'll continue to bring you the best from the "NBA at 50" archives!
Today, we share an interview with NBA legend Wilt Chamberlain. Chamberlain was interviewed at NBAE Studios in Secaucus, N.J., on Aug. 6, 1996.
>Q: Even before you played in the NBA, you played against pro players. Did those experiences give you an idea of how well you would do in the NBA?
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>A: I was fortunate. I started playing against those guys back when I was in late junior high and early during my years at Overbrook High School in Philadelphia. I played against Paul Arizin, Tom Gola, Ernie Beck and other guys... from Penn University, LaSalle University, various schools around the Philadelphia area. Up in Kutshers Country Club, Red Auerbach was the coach and he had me go against some of his Boston Celtics boys, and I used to try to beat them to death so I knew that I could probably do fairly well in the pros even at that early age. (laughs)
>
>**Q: You dominated from the onset of your career. Did you fee
Bill Russell
Bob Pettit
Oscar Robertson
Dirk Nowitzki
Hal Greer
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Willis Reed
Jerry Lucas
Elvin Hayes
Hakeem Olajuwon
James Harden
Bob Cousy
Dave Cowens
Nate Archibald
Kevin McHale
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
George Mikan
John Stockton
Steve Nash
Charles Barkley
Julius Erving
Moses Malone
George Gervin
David Robinson
Magic Johnson
James Worthy
Wilt Chamberlain
Jerry West
Larry Bird
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Isiah Thomas
Clyde Drexler
Karl Malone
Patrick Ewing
Chris Paul
Allen Iverson
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Robert Parish
John Havlicek
Sam Jones
Bill Walton
Bill Sharman
Walt Frazier
Paul Arizin
Rick Barry
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Elgin Baylor
Dolph Schayes
Pete Maravich
Dave Bing
Lenny Wilkens
Dave DeBusschere
Earl Monroe
Billy Cunningham
Shaquille O'Neal
Dominique Wilkins
Dennis Rodman
Ray Allen
Dwayne Wade
Jason Kidd
Kobe Bryant
Gary Payton
Bob McAdoo
Paul Pierce
Stephen Curry
Reggie Miller
Kawhi Leonard
Damian Lillard
LeBron James
Carmelo Anthony
Anthony Davis
Russell Westbrook
Some contenders:
John Kundla
1948-1958
5 NBA Championships
.597% win in regular season, .659% win in playoffs
Star players: George Mikan, Vern Mikkelsen
Pat Riley
1981-1990
4 NBA Championships
.733% win in regular season, .685% win in playoffs
Star players: Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, βBig Gameβ James Worthy, Byron Scott
Phil Jackson
1999-2004, 2005-2011
5 NBA Championships
.700% win in regular season, .696% win in playoffs (1999-2004), .657 win in regular season, .607 win in playoffs (2005-2011)
Star players: Kobe Bryant, Shaquille OβNeal, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum
Bill Sharman
1971-1976
1 NBA Championship
.600% win in regular season, .595% win in playoffs
NBA record 33 game win streak
Star players: Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain
Who is the greatest coach in Laker history, and why?
Just thought I'd share this for anyone who wasn't keen to listen to the whole episode (I'd suggest listening anyway at like 1.5 speed, it was really interesting and not everything Ben said made it; I basically only included his actual list but there was a lotta fun content on the edges that I didn't include)
Podcast by guest Cody Houdek and host Ben Taylor, who runs the Thinking Basketball YouTube channel and wrote the Backpicks Top 40
Pod link: https://twitter.com/ElGee35/status/1451671346820182019
Btw, there was a bunch of stuff about other players who didn't make it onto Ben's list but DID make the actual list (Pistol Pete etc.) that I didn't transcribe bc it was not on this episode but the previous top 75 episode a few weeks back, here's the link to that one: https://twitter.com/ElGee35/status/1441493128658100235
Before we start: The spirit of the podcast is just to discuss the list, and to understand that there are probably about 95 guys who can make these 75 slots, and to generate conversation as a result. (note: Ben also says a ton of stuff that I didn't record down between each of the picks and also before the list officially started.) However, Ben strongly disagrees with keeping the old 50 essentially apparently all being voted in again. As we learn more about the game, we can learn to evaluate players better, and more players can and should be sorted in and out of the list as voters become smarter and more informed (he goes more into this in the pod)
Ben's Criteria: Career value. Peaks. Also, if possible, trying to include a smattering of a few of the best at each area of the game (scoring, playmaking, defense, shooting). Scalability is slightly considered, so if 2 players had a similar career/peak then the more scale-able player got the nod (side note: in Ben Taylor parlance, scalable skills are those that increase in value on better and better teams, e.g. defense, passing, shooting, offensive rebounding. You can think of it as attributes that great ceiling-raisers have. Steph, KG, Bird, KD, Draymond are examples of ultra-scalable players; LeBron, Magic, Nash, Luka, Harden less so - they're moreso elite floor-raisers)
#Starting chronologically from the 1940s:
1 George Mikan STAYS IN
2 Dolph Schayes STAYS IN.
... keep reading on reddit β‘TLDR: Inspired by the NBA 75 list (which has 76 players) I have manually entered a ton of data over the past couple of weeks into excel in order to get a mostly objective GOAT list. Here is the top 76, the methodology is below.
Rank | Player | Score | Not in NBA 75 |
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1 | Kareem Abdul-Jabbar | 74.13 | |
2 | Lebron James | 64.89 | |
3 | Michael Jordan | 62.85 | |
4 | Wilt Chamberlain | 53.18 | |
5 | Tim Duncan | 49.02 | |
6 | Bill Russell | 47.19 | |
7 | Kobe Bryant | 46.93 | |
8 | Shaquille O'Neal | 46.31 | |
9 | Magic Johnson | 42.70 | |
10 | Karl Malone | 41.47 | |
11 | Hakeem Olajuwon | 39.66 | |
12 | Larry Bird | 37.94 | |
13 | Jerry West | 37.81 | |
14 | Kevin Garnett | 35.92 | |
15 | Oscar Robertson | 35.77 | |
16 | Bob Pettit | 34.80 | |
17 | David Robinson | 33.00 | |
18 | Moses Malone | 32.16 | |
19 | Bob Cousy | 32.00 | |
20 | Chris Paul | 31.27 | |
21 | John Havlicek | 29.72 | |
22 | Kevin Durant | 29.21 | |
23 | Dolph Schayes | 27.72 | |
24 | George Mikan | 26.91 | |
25 | Elgin Baylor | 26.53 | |
26 | Dwight Howard | 26.38 | Snubbed |
27 | Charles Barkley | 25.61 | |
28 | James Harden | 24.82 | |
29 | Dirk Nowitzki | 24.77 | |
30 | John Stockton | 23.54 | |
31 | Jason Kidd | 22.86 | |
32 | Gary Payton | 22.71 | |
33 | Scottie Pippen | 22.27 | |
34 | Dwyane Wade | 22.06 | |
35 | Elvin Hayes | 21.83 | |
36 | Russell Westbrook | 21.71 | |
37 | Stephen Curry | 20.77 | |
38 | Julius Erving | 20.63 | |
39 | Patrick Ewing | 19.89 | |
40 | Allen Iverson | 19.51 | |
41 | Giannis Antetokounmpo | 18.46 | |
42 | Steve Nash | 18.24 | |
43 | Dikembe Mutombo | 18.10 | Snubbed |
44 | Kawhi Leonard | 18.06 | |
45 | Dennis Rodman | 17.28 | |
46 | George Gervin | 17.06 | |
47 | Rick Barry | 16.99 | |
48 | Ben Wallace | 16.82 | Snubbed |
49 | Paul Arizin | 16.61 | |
50 | Walt Frazier | 16.46 | |
51 | Isiah Thomas | 16.29 | |
52 | Neil Johnston | 16.18 | Snubbed |
53 | Robert Parish | 16.15 | |
54 | Dave Cowens | 15.57 | |
55 | Sam Jones | 15.49 | |
56 | Bob McAdoo | 15.32 | |
57 | Clyde Drexler | 15.21 | |
58 | Willis Reed | 15.20 | |
59 | Anthony Davis | 15.13 | |
60 | Dominique Wilkins | 14.27 | |
61 | Alonzo Mourning | 13.50 | Snubbed |
62 | Wes Unseld | 13.48 | |
63 | Tiny Archibald | 13.28 | |
64 | Jerry Lucas | 12.96 | |
65 | Tom Heinsohn | 12.75 | Snubbed |
66 | Bill Sharman | 12.73 | |
67 | Dennis Johnson | 12.48 | Snubbed |
68 | Tony Parker | 12.44 | Snubbed |
69 | Kevin McHale | 12.29 | |
70 | Bill Walton | 11.94 | |
71 | Tracy McGrady | 11.92 | Snubbed |
72 | Paul Pierce | 11.58 | |
73 | Carmelo Anthony | 11.27 | |
74 | Slater Martin | 10.97 | Snubbed |
75 | Sidney Moncrief | 10.94 | Snubbed |
76 | Pau Gasol | 10.85 | Snubbed |
There are 12 players who made the list above that did not make the NBA 75 list. Listed below is where the players who made it into the NBA 75 would rank in my list.
|81|Hal Greer|10.19|
... keep reading on reddit β‘It's the 75th NBA season, and the NBA is celebrating by naming their top 75 players of all time, which is striking a lot of conversation among the NBA community. I'm seeing a lot of top 75 lists, so naturally, I figured I'd make mine. Almost a year ago, I created a metric to rank NBA players' careers based entirely off of their basketball reference page. Here is an in-depth explanation of the system, but it's a long read and if you don't want to read all of it then I'll explain it briefly here.
Basically, there are 8 categories that players get graded on: Scoring, Playmaking, Defense, Rebounding, Value, Accolades, Playoff Performance, and Playoff Success. Each one of these categories is weighted according to what I think is important, but in theory, the weights of the categories could be adjusted easily to anyone's liking. Each player gets a score, which is calculated using certain numbers found off their basketball reference page put through a formula, for each category. For any given category, a score of .500 would be considered an average score and 1.000 would be the greatest of all time. The player's scores in each category are then multiplied by their respective categories' weights and then added together to produce one single score out of 100 for their career. My top 75 list is simply a list of the players who had the 75 highest scores in my career ranking system.
Before I get started, I should mention that I did indeed make a couple adjustments to the system based on comments from my original post. I adjusted the accolades category to include both MVP Shares and Hall of Fame Probability, and the reason I did this was give credit to players who were deserved to be either MVPs or Hall of Famers but were snubbed. Additionally, for the Playoff Success category, I replaced Playoff games played with Playoff minutes played, in order to penalize players who rode the bench during deep playoff runs while crediting those who were actually contributing those teams.
Without further ado, I present my top 75 players list based on my career ranking system:
I don't want to step on anybody's toes here, but the amount of non-dad jokes here in this subreddit really annoys me. First of all, dad jokes CAN be NSFW, it clearly says so in the sub rules. Secondly, it doesn't automatically make it a dad joke if it's from a conversation between you and your child. Most importantly, the jokes that your CHILDREN tell YOU are not dad jokes. The point of a dad joke is that it's so cheesy only a dad who's trying to be funny would make such a joke. That's it. They are stupid plays on words, lame puns and so on. There has to be a clever pun or wordplay for it to be considered a dad joke.
Again, to all the fellow dads, I apologise if I'm sounding too harsh. But I just needed to get it off my chest.
1947: Chicago Stags (Doesn't exist anymore) with 77 ppg. Max Zaslofsky, Chick Halbert and Don Carlson were The Team's Top 3 Scorers.
1948: Chicago Stags with 75.8 ppg. Max Zaslofsky, Stan Miasek and Andy Phillip were the Team's Top 3 Scorers.
1949: Rochester Royals (Now Sacramento Kings), Minneapolis Lakers (Now South Bay Lakers) and Chicago Stags with 84 ppg.
1950: Anderson Packers with 87.3 ppg. This Team played in a Very Big High school gym. Frankie Brian was their Leading Scorer.
1951: Syracuse Nationals (Now Philadelphia 76ers) with 86.1 ppg and finished 4th in Off Rating. Dolph Schayes was the Leading Scorer with 17 ppg.
1952: Boston Celtics with 91.3 ppg. They had the 2nd Best offense. Bob Cousey was the Team's Leading scorer with 21.7 ppg.
1953: Boston Celtics with 88.1 ppg and the Best Offense. Ed Macauley was their Leading Scorer.
1954: Boston Celtics with 87.1 ppg and the best Offense. Bob Cousey was their Leading Scorer.
1955: Boston Celtics with 101.5 ppg and the Best Offense. Bob Cousey was their Leading Scorer.
1956: Boston Celtics with 106 ppg and 3rd best Offense. Bill Sharman was their Leading Scorer
The second round is a magic place that is mostly forgettable and occasionally franchise altering. For this list I only took people who drafted in the NBA in the second round, so no ABA drafts and third+ rounders. Please enjoy:
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1947: Red Rocha (Picked 19th overall by the Toronto Huskies)
10.9/6.6/2.0 - 1947-1953 and 1954-1957
Ephriam "Red" Rocha was a two-time all-star for the Bullets and Nationals, he also won a championship in 1955, the first of the shot clock era.
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1948: Harry Gallatin (Picked 19th overall by the New York Knicks)
13.0/11.9/1.8 - 1948-1958
Harry Gallatin was a seven-time all-star for the Knicks and later won Coach of the Year in 1963 as the coach of the St Louis Hawks. He also pitched for the Decatur Cubs in 1949, he wasn't very good.
Honorable Mention: Bill Gabor (22nd)
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1949: Jack Coleman (Picked 24th overall by the Rochester Royals)
10.6/9.2/2.8 - 1949-1958
An all-star and two-time champion, Coleman is apparently most known for being on the wrong end of a full-court Bill Russell block in 1957 Finals.
Honorable Mentions: Leo Barnhorst (14th) and Bob Harrison (23rd)
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1950: Bill Sharman (Picked 17th overall by the Washington Capitols)
17.8/3.9/3.0 - 1950-1961
One of five people to be inducted in the Naismith Hall of Fame twice (player and coach), Bill Sharman won four championships as a player for the Boston Celtics, one as head coach of the LA Lakers, and five as an executive for the Lakers.
Honorable Mention: Chuck Cooper (13th)
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1951: Lew Hitch (Picked 20th overall by the Minneapolis Lakers)
5.0/5.3/1.2 - 1951-1957
Lew Hitch won two championships with the Lakers in 1952 and 1953 as a bench power forward.
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1952: Monk Meineke (Picked 13th overall by the Fort Wayne Pistons)
6.8/4.7/1.3 - 1952-1956 and 1957-1958
The first ever Rookie of the Year in NBA history, he also averaged 4.9 fouls per game and fouled out of 26 games, which is a record to this day.
Honorable Mention: Jack McMahon (19th)
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1953: Larry Hennessy (Picked 10th overall by the Philadelphia Warriors)
4.5/1.3/1.0 - 1953-1955
Hennessy was the only second rounder of the 1953 draft to play more than one season.
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1954: Richie Guerin (Picked 17th overall by the New York Knicks)
17.3/5.0/5.0 - 1956-1967 and 1968-1970
Richie Guerin was a fan favorite for the New York Knicks, setting multiple now-broken franchise records. He was a six-time all-star and was selected to three al
... keep reading on reddit β‘Another year, another depth chart!
Players can still have more than one position, but this time I've kept it to two at most. Asterisk(*) denotes the alternate position, e.g. Gresham's primary position is small forward, and his alternate position is inside mid.
The positions and rankings are according to my personal judgement, so everyone's very welcome to chip in and tell me how I got this totally wrong.
Going by this chart, my starting 22 looks like this:
On the cusp: Battle, Paton, Bytel, McKenzie, Byrnes, Long
Let me know your thoughts. Go Saints!
Hereβs the list: Carl Braun, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, Tom Heinsohn, Bailey Howell, K.C. Jones, Sam Jones, Clyde Lovellette, Andy Phillip, Frank Ramsey, Arnie Risen, and Bill Sharman.
Thereβs a lot of chicken/egg phenomenon going on here, in that itβs hard to say whether these guys made the Hall of Fame because they won a lot of titles, or whether they won a lot of titles because theyβre Hall of Fame players. But still, 24% of your teammates making the HoF all time is a pretty incredible hit rate. Also apparently not a lot of roster turnover when youβre winning every single year.
Edit: just for clarification, I am in no way trying to disparage Russell or saying he didnβt earn his rings because he had βso much helpβ or anything like that. I just thought that was a crazy stat: only 50 teammates in his entire career and a dozen of them made the Hall of Fame.
Do your worst!
Made all-time hometown rosters with original 30 NBA teams + 25 new teams to split populated areas and big teams (spreadsheet + map)
I used the top 969 players who have at least 10000 minutes played in their career.
Why 10000 minutes played? Because that's the lower standard set by Basketball-Reference to get on their ABA career leaderboard (15000 MP for NBA). I added George Mikan, because even though he hasn't played enough minutes, he's featured in All-Time ESPN NBARank and Bill Simmons Hall of Fame Pyramid.
I started off with the current 30 teams. To split up the Lakers and Clippers, I gave the Clippers their proposed Inglewood site.
As I looked at the map of player hometowns, I realized that there were:
Based off city population and arena size, I added 25 new teams.
I started off gathering hometowns due to this fantastic database by Reuben Fischer-Baum ([original article source here](https://deadspin.com/infographics-where-do-pro-basketball-players-come-from-5132615
... keep reading on reddit β‘This is part two of this list. This list is based off of accomplishments in the NBA (or ABA), not college or international leagues. Please let me know of any mistakes or if I missed something.
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Key:
AS - All-Star
AN - All-NBA, All-ABA, All-BAA
AD - All-Defensive
AR - All-Rookie
MVP - Most Valuable Player
FMVP- Finals Most Valuable Player
DPOY - Defensive Player of the Year
6MOY - Sixth Man of the Year
MIP- Most Improved Player
COTY - Coach of the Year
EOTY- Executive of the Year
ScrC - Points Leader
AstC - Assists Leader
RebC - Rebounds Leader
StlC - Steals Leader
BlkC - Blocks Leader
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Oakland (4): Kendrick Nunn (2019- ) - 15.0/2.9/3.0 - 123 G - AR
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Ohio (11): Gery Trent Sr (1995-2004) - 8.6/4.5/1.0 - 506 G
Active: Jason Preston
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Ohio State (49): John Havlicek (1962-78) - 20.8/6.3/4.8 - 1270 G - HOF, 8x Champ, FMVP, 13x AS, 11x AN, 8x AD, AR
Honorable Mentions: Jerry Lucas, Jim Jackson, Mike Conley, Michael Redd, Neil Johnston, Arnie Risen
Active: Mike Conley, DβAngelo Russell, JaeβSean Tate, Keita Bates-Diop, Duane Washington Jr
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Ohio Wesleyan (1): Barry Clemens (1965-76) - 6.7/3.2/1.1 - 790 G
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Okaloosa-Walton (2): Kedrick Brown (2001-05) - 3.6/2.4/0.7
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Oklahoma (27): Blake Griffin (2010- ) - 20.9/8.6/4.3 - 668 G - ROY, 6x AS, 5x AN, AR
Honorable Mentions: Mookie Baylock, Alvan Adams, Trae Young
Active: Blake Griffin, Buddy Hield, Trae Young, Austin Reaves
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Oklahoma Baptist (4): Al Tucker (1967-72) -Β 10.1/4.9/1.0 - 352 G - AR
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Oklahoma City (7): Allen Leavell (1979) - 9.5/1.7/4.8 - 700 G
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Oklahoma State (29): Tony Allen (2004-17) - 8.1/3.5/1.3 - 820 G - 1x Champ, 6x AD
Honorable Mentions: John Starks, Marcus Smart
Active: Marcus Smart, Cade Cunningham
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Old Dominion (9): Chris Gatling (1991-2002) - 10.3/5.3/0.7 - 700 G - 1x AS
Honorable Mentions: Dave Twardzik, Kent Bazemore
Active: Kent Bazemore
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Ole Miss (9): Johnny Newmann (1986-2002) - 11.0/2.2/1.5 - 1159 G
Active: Terence Davis
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Oral Roberts (9): Alvin Scott (1977-85) - 4.9/3.2/1.4 - 627 G
Active: DaQuan Jefferies
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Oregon (35): Terrell Brandon (1991-2002) - 13.8/3.0/6.1 - 724 G - 2x AS, AR
*Honorable Mentions: Greg Ballard, Steve Jones, Aaron Broo
... keep reading on reddit β‘B: Paton, Howard, Highmore
HB: Hill, Wilkie, Sinclair
C: Clark, Jones, Billings
HF: Gresham, Membrey, Sharman
F: Marshall, King, Higgins
R: Ryder, Crouch, Steele
Int: Coffield, Byrnes, Connolly, McKenzie
*canβt put Hannebery in because he will have a calf complaint.
**Ross and Dunstan will either be traded or playing twos.
***that last McKenzie spot is open for any player traded for Ross, Dunstan or Battle.
I've known the NBA had a silver anniversary team (25 years) for a good while. Named in 1971 [you can argue about that if you so wish] it was basically an All-NBA team for retired players only, consisting of 4 forwards, 4 guards and 2 centres as follows:
F Bob Pettit | G Bob Cousy | C Bill Russell |
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F Dolph Schayes | G Bill Sharman | C George Mikan |
F Paul Arizin | G Bob Davies | |
F Joe Fulks | G Sam Jones |
What I only recently became aware, with the recent attention paid to the 75th and 50th anniversary teams, was that a broader squad of 25 players was also named - a 25 at 25, if you will. Here are those who missed the cut:
F Harry Gallatin | G Bob Feerick | C Neil Johnston |
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F Tom Gola | G Richie Guerin | C Ed Macauley |
F Tom Heinsohn | G Slater Martin | C Maurice Stokes |
F Vern Mikkelsen | G Dick McGuire | |
F Jim Pollard | G Bobby Wanzer | |
F George Yardley | G Max Zaslofsky |
My question to the panel is simple: what happens if you drop the restriction on active players and treat this like the 1996 or 2021 teams? For reference, here are the 21 members of those teams who were active in 1971:
F Billy Cunningham | G Dave Bing | C Dave Cowens |
---|---|---|
F Dave DeBusschere | G Earl Monroe | C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar |
F Elgin Baylor | G Hal Greer | C Nate Thurmond |
F Elvin Hayes | G Jerry West | C Wes Unseld |
F Jerry Lucas | G Lenny Wilkens | C Willis Reed |
F John Havlicek | G Oscar Robertson | C Wilt Chamberlain |
G Pete Maravich | ||
G Tiny Archibald | ||
G Walt Frazier |
Of those, some had nearly concluded their careers and are clearly in; others had just started and are clearly out. But whom do you replace and why (and are there other players not on any of the above lists you'd consider)? I'll post my own effort in the comments; feel free to tear it to shreds and/or submit your own!
For context I'm a Refuse Driver (Garbage man) & today I was on food waste. After I'd tipped I was checking the wagon for any defects when I spotted a lone pea balanced on the lifts.
I said "hey look, an escaPEA"
No one near me but it didn't half make me laugh for a good hour or so!
Edit: I can't believe how much this has blown up. Thank you everyone I've had a blast reading through the replies π
It really does, I swear!
On this Veterans Day, I'd like to thank all veterans who have served their country!
And since we're an NBA history sub, here is a list of several note-worthy NBA players whose careers were impacted by serving, which obviously happened far more in the 40's, 50's, and 60's than it has since then. Many of these players are Hall of Famers, and I believe everyone I've included were All-Stars or All-NBA during their careers.
David Robinson - served in the Navy for 2 years before entering the NBA at 24
Elgin Baylor - missed huge chunks of the '62 season while on active duty, but still put together an insane 38-19 stat-line
Lenny Wilkens - missed almost his entire 2nd season while serving (the same '62 season that Baylor missed part of)
Paul Arizin - lead the NBA in scoring and FG% in '52 at 23 years old (25.4 ppg, .448 FG%) then missed the next 2 seasons while serving in the Marines
George Yardley - the high-scoring 50's SF served in the Navy for 2 years, so he didn't enter the NBA until he was 25
Sam Jones - served for 2 years in college before entering the NBA at 24
Bill Sharman - Cousy's famous backcourt partner served in the Navy for 2 years after HS, eventually joining the NBA at 24
Joe Fulks - high-scoring SG of the late-40's didn't enter the NBA until he was 25 after serving for 3 years
Nat Clifton - served in the Army for 3 years before joining the Rens prior to the NBA integrating
Carl Braun - 5x All-Star missed the 1st two ASG's ('51, '52) while serving in the Army
Jim Pollard - served for 4 years during WW2 before starring for the Lakers in the late-40's and early-50's
Larry Costello - served for 2 years after HS and for most of his first 2 pro seasons, eventually starting his first full season at 25
K.C. Jones - served in the military before entering the NBA 2 years after being drafted
Bob Davies - served 1-3 years in the Navy during WW2 (unclear exactly how long), so he entered the NBL 3 years after graduating college
Bucky Bockhorn - spent 2 years in the military before college and starting his pro career at 25
Harry Gallatin - served in the Navy for 1 year before college, but he still entered the NBA at 21
Slater Martin - served in the military for 2 years during college; entered the NBA at 24
Al Cervi - star 40's & early-50's PG served in the military for 5 years (~'40-45)
Adrian Smith - was in the military for 2 years in the early-60's before entering the NBA
Frank Selvy - af
Boston has also had a 17 year run of at least 2 players named to the first or second team, and a 25 year run of at least 1 player on the first or second team.
So, they said... and I quote: "We want to get you more involved, by having you cast your vote and choose the Collection Complete Rewards for all six collections"
So that would indicate the community is going to be the last word on this. We will know whether they are bending the truth or not if anyone other than Magic wins for 1980's since he's the meta card the fanbase loves.
But I'm curious what the other lock-in desires are. We don't know whether they're gonna throw all 76 players (or 74 sans Barkley/Miller) at us, but considering the 1980's has only 2 guys left, it seems likely that every 80's player will be in it. The 60's and 70's may not get the full complement as they're the biggest fractions and have the least "meta" cards or fan favourites. But for completion, this is what we got from each decade and who still remains.
I've put Dave Bing in 1970's because he should be there. He played at his peak then, never played in the 80's and his card art is 1970's even though 2K incorrectly has him in the 1980's. One would assume that will be corrected when they start to give a damn again.
1960's (18 players)
RECEIVED (9) | NOT YET RECEIVED (9) |
---|---|
Paul Arizin | Elgin Baylor |
Bob Cousy | Wilt Chamberlain |
Hal Greer | Billy Cunningham |
John Havlicek | Jerry Lucas |
Sam Jones | Bob Pettit |
George Mikan | Oscar Robertson |
Willis Reed | Dolph Schayes |
Bill Russell | Bill Sharman |
Lenny Wilkens | Jerry West |
1970's (13 players)
RECEIVED (6) | NOT YET RECEIVED (7) |
---|---|
Nate Archibald | Rick Barry |
Dave Bing | Dave DeBusschere |
Dave Cowens | Walt Frazier |
Nate Thurmond | Elvin Hayes |
Wes Unseld | Pete Maravich |
Bill Walton | Bob McAdoo |
Earl Monroe |
1980's (13 or 14 players)
RECEIVED (11) | NOT YET RECEIVED (2 or 3) |
---|---|
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar | Charles Barkley |
Larry Bird | Hakeem Olajuwon |
Clyde Drexler | Robert Parish |
Julius Erving | |
George Gervin | |
Magic Johnson | |
Kevin McHale | |
Moses Malone | |
Isaiah Thomas | |
Dominique Wilkins | |
James Worthy |
1990's (9 or 10 players)
RECEIVED (6) | NOT YET RECEIVED (3 or 4) |
---|---|
Patrick Ewing | Karl Malone |
Michael Jordan | Reggie Miller |
Shaquille O'Neal | Gary Payton |
Scottie Pippen | Dennis Rodman |
David Robinson | |
John Stockton |
2000's (10 players)
RECEIVED (8) | NOT YET RECEIVED (2) |
---|---|
Ray Allen | Kevin Garnett |
Kobe Bryant | Allen Iverson |
Tim Duncan | |
Jason Kidd | |
Steve Nash | |
Dirk Nowitzki | |
Paul Pierce | |
Dwyane Wade |
2010's (11 players)
|RECEIVED (6)|
... keep reading on reddit β‘For those interested,Here is an updated 75 list as of this mornings release:
CARMELO ANTHONY - 2000s
RICK BARRY - 70s GS
ELGIN BAYLOR - 60s LAL
WILT CHAMBERLAIN 60s LAL
BILLY CUNNINGHAM 60/70 PHI
ANTHONY DAVIS 2010s NO
DAVE DEBUSSCHERE 60s - DET
KEVIN DURANT 2010s OKC
WALT FRAZIER 70s NYK
KEVIN GARNETT 2000s MIN
ELVIN HAYES 70s WAS
ALLEN IVERSON 2000s PHI
DAMIAN LILLARD 2010s POR
JERRY LUCAS 60s NYK
KARL MALONE 1990s UTA
PETE MARAVICH 70s ATL
BOB MCADOO 70s
EARL MONROE 70s NYK
HAKEEM OLAJUWON 90s HOU
ROBERT PARISH 80s BOS
CHRIS PAUL 2010s
GARY PAYTON 1990s SEA
BOB PETTIT 60s ATL
OSCAR ROBERTSON 60s SAC
DENNIS RODMAN 1980s
DOLPH SCHAYES 1960s
BILL SHARMAN 1960s
JERRY WEST 60s
Just thought I'd share this for anyone who wasn't keen to listen to the whole episode (I'd suggest listening anyway at like 1.5 speed, it was really interesting and not everything Ben said made it; I basically only included his actual list but there was a lotta fun content on the edges that I didn't include)
Podcast by guest Cody Houdek and host Ben Taylor, who runs the Thinking Basketball YouTube channel and wrote the Backpicks Top 40
Pod link: https://twitter.com/ElGee35/status/1451671346820182019
Btw, there was a bunch of stuff about other players who didn't make it onto Ben's list but DID make the actual list (Pistol Pete etc.) that I didn't transcribe bc it was not on this episode but the previous top 75 episode a few weeks back, here's the link to that one: https://twitter.com/ElGee35/status/1441493128658100235
Before we start: The spirit of the podcast is just to discuss the list, and to understand that there are probably about 95 guys who can make these 75 slots, and to generate conversation as a result. (note: Ben also says a ton of stuff that I didn't record down between each of the picks and also before the list officially started.) However, Ben strongly disagrees with keeping the old 50 essentially apparently all being voted in again. As we learn more about the game, we can learn to evaluate players better, and more players can and should be sorted in and out of the list as voters become smarter and more informed (he goes more into this in the pod)
Ben's Criteria: Career value. Peaks. Also, if possible, trying to include a smattering of a few of the best at each area of the game (scoring, playmaking, defense, shooting). Scalability is slightly considered, so if 2 players had a similar career/peak then the more scale-able player got the nod (side note: in Ben Taylor parlance, scalable skills are those that increase in value on better and better teams, e.g. defense, passing, shooting, offensive rebounding. You can think of it as attributes that great ceiling-raisers have. Steph, KG, Bird, KD, Draymond are examples of ultra-scalable players; LeBron, Magic, Nash, Luka, Harden less so - they're moreso elite floor-raisers)
#Starting chronologically from the 1940s:
1 George Mikan STAYS IN
2 Dolph Schayes STAYS IN.
... keep reading on reddit β‘Just thought I'd share this for anyone who wasn't keen to listen to the whole episode (I'd suggest listening anyway at like 1.5 speed, it was really interesting and not everything Ben said made it; I basically only included his actual list but there was a lotta fun content on the edges that I didn't include)
Podcast by guest Cody Houdek and host Ben Taylor, who runs the Thinking Basketball YouTube channel and wrote the Backpicks Top 40
Pod link: https://twitter.com/ElGee35/status/1451671346820182019
Btw, there was a bunch of stuff about other players who didn't make it onto Ben's list but DID make the actual list (Pistol Pete etc.) that I didn't transcribe bc it was not on this episode but the previous top 75 episode a few weeks back, here's the link to that one: https://twitter.com/ElGee35/status/1441493128658100235
Before we start: The spirit of the podcast is just to discuss the list, and to understand that there are probably about 95 guys who can make these 75 slots, and to generate conversation as a result. (note: Ben also says a ton of stuff that I didn't record down between each of the picks and also before the list officially started.) However, Ben strongly disagrees with keeping the old 50 essentially apparently all being voted in again. As we learn more about the game, we can learn to evaluate players better, and more players can and should be sorted in and out of the list as voters become smarter and more informed (he goes more into this in the pod)
Ben's Criteria: Career value. Peaks. Also, if possible, trying to include a smattering of a few of the best at each area of the game (scoring, playmaking, defense, shooting). Scalability is slightly considered, so if 2 players had a similar career/peak then the more scale-able player got the nod (side note: in Ben Taylor parlance, scalable skills are those that increase in value on better and better teams, e.g. defense, passing, shooting, offensive rebounding. You can think of it as attributes that great ceiling-raisers have. Steph, KG, Bird, KD, Draymond are examples of ultra-scalable players; LeBron, Magic, Nash, Luka, Harden less so - they're moreso elite floor-raisers)
#Starting chronologically from the 1940s:
1 George Mikan STAYS IN
2 Dolph Schayes STAYS IN.
... keep reading on reddit β‘Thought Iβd share my list Iβve been tracking on my own. Let me know if you think anyone will be classified into a different decade. ALOT of good players still to come
CARMELO ANTHONY - 2000s Den
CHARLES BARKLEY - 90s PHX
RICK BARRY - 70s GS
ELGIN BAYLOR - 60s LAL
DAVE BING - 60/70? DET
WILT CHAMBERLAIN 60s LAL
BOB COUSY - 60s BOS
BILLY CUNNINGHAM 60/70 PHI
STEPHEN CURRY 2010s GS
ANTHONY DAVIS 2010s NO
DAVE DEBUSSCHERE 60s - DET
KEVIN DURANT 2010s OKC
WALT FRAZIER 70s NYK
KEVIN GARNETT 2000s MIN
George Gervin 70s SA
ELVIN HAYES 70s WAS
ALLEN IVERSON 2000s PHI
LEBRON JAMES 2010s
MICHAEL JORDAN 1990s CHI
KAWHI LEONARD 2010s SA
DAMIAN LILLARD 2010s POR
JERRY LUCAS 60s NYK
KARL MALONE 1990s UTA
PETE MARAVICH 70s ATL
BOB MCADOO 70s
REGGIE MILLER 1990s IND
EARL MONROE 70s NYK
DIRK NOWITZKI 2000s? DAL
SHAQUILLE O'NEAL 90s ORL
HAKEEM OLAJUWON 90s HOU
ROBERT PARISH 80s BOS
CHRIS PAUL 2010s
GARY PAYTON 1990s SEA
BOB PETTIT 60s ATL
SCOTTIE PIPPEN 1990s CHI
OSCAR ROBERTSON 60s SAC
DENNIS RODMAN 1990S
DOLPH SCHAYES 1960s
BILL SHARMAN 1960s
WES UNSELD 1970s
DWYANE WADE 2010s
BILL WALTON 70/80
JERRY WEST 60s
RUSSELL WESTBROOK 2010s
LENNY WILKENS 60s
DOMINIQUE WILKINS 80s
JAMES WORTHY 80s
NBA 75th Potential Players
The decade chosen is my own choice so may be different as quite a few straddle multiple decades (there amy even be cards for the same player in multiple decades)
I'm ignoring any licensing issues as we just don't know and just listing the players as per the official NBA 75 list
50s/60s Released
Arizin
Greer
Havlicek
Mikan
Russell
Bob Cousy
Sam Jones
Willis Reed
Lenny Wilkens
50s/60s Potential
Elgin Baylor
Wilt
Billy Cunningham (played half 60s/70s so could be either)
Dave Debusschere
Jerry Lucas
Bob Petit
Dolph Schayes
Bill Sharman
Jerry West
Oscar Robertson
1970s
Released
Nate Archibald
Nate Thurmond
Dave Cowens
Wes Unseld
Dave Bing
Bill Walton
Possibles
Rick Barry
Walt Frazier
Elvin Hayes
Pete Maravich
Bob McAdoo
Earl Monroe
1980s
Released
Clyde Drexler
Larry Bird
Julius Erving
Moses Malone
Kevin McHale
Isiah Thomas
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Dominique Wilkins
George Gervin
James Worthy
Possibles
Charles Barkley (Could be 90s, could be unlicensed still)
Robert Parish
1990s
Released
David Robinson
Patrick Ewing
John Stockton
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Shaquille O'Neal
Possibles
Allan Iverson
Karl Malone
Reggie Miller (again likely a no go card)
Hakeem Olajuwon
Gary Payton
Dennis Rodman
2000s
Released
Ray Allen
Tim Duncan
Jason Kidd
Kobe Bryant
Steve Nash
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwyane Wade
Possibles
2010s
Released
Giannis Antetokounmpo
James Harden
Steph Curry
Lebron James
Kawhi Leonard
Russell Westbrook
Possibles
Carmelo Anthony
Anthony Davis
Kevin Durant
Damian Lillard
Chris Paul
I think a lot of you are already aware of Ben Taylor - he's probably the best basketball historian out there in terms of ranking players. Anyway, here's a link to his pod where he discusses it - https://open.spotify.com/episode/3055Hw73x55MOawRf3YrZF
He does a really good job of using a combination of watching tape, using analytics, and really putting into context their era, team situation, and weighting the players' relative peaks. Here's the list (I jotted it down while listening so hopefully I didn't make any mistakes):
*Players who didn't make the NBA's Top 75 in bold
Discussed but didn't make it:
The NBA released their 75 greatest players of all time, I think its bologna,many of the original 50 should not get a buy into this team as others have done more to earn it and the game has moved past them. I assigned a value to every career accomplishment and put them into a spreadsheet with eight pages, these are my results.
Pete Maravich, Patrick Ewing, Tiny Archibald, Carmelo Anthony, Dave Bing, Ray Allen, Billy Cunningham, Dave Debusschere, Patrick Ewing, Hal Greer, Damian Lillard, Jerry Lucas, Earl Monroe, Nate Thurmond and Lenny Wilkins were all on the NBA 76 greatest, but did not make my list.
The following are my top 10 honorable mentioned. Tracy Mcgrady, Kyle Lowry, Alonzo Mourning, Rajon Rondo, Chauncey Billups, Derrick Rose, Amare Stoudemire, Toni Kukoc, Artis Gilmore and Maurice cheeks.
Players with an asterisk were not on the official NBA 76 list, the biggest snub, surprisingly was Neil Johnston... Wonder why the league doesnt seem to like him, I gave Vince carter a bonus because of his enormous impact on basketball in canada and his tremendous dunking, Players not likely to make the hall of fame were not included which disqualifi
... keep reading on reddit β‘I'm surprised it hasn't decade.
50 players who've made the cut so far:
Bill Russell
Oscar Robertson
Dirk Nowitzki
Hal Greer
Bob Pettit
Gainnis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Elvin Hayes
Jerry Lucas
Willis Reed
Nate Archibald
Bob Cousy
Dave Cowens
James Harden
Hakeem Olajuwon
Kevin McHale
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
George Mikan
John Stockton
Steve Nash
Charles Barkley
Julius Erving
George Gervin
Moses Malone
David Robinson
Paul Arizin
Rick Barry
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Clyde Drexler
Tim Duncan
Patrick Ewing
Walt Frazier
Kevin Garnett
John Havlicek
Allen Iverson
Magic Johnson
Sam Jones
Michael Jordan
Karl Malone
Robert Parish
Chris Paul
Scottie Pippen
Bill Sharman
Isiah Thomas
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Bill Walton
Jerry West
James Worthy
So far, 41 players from 1996's top 50 list have been included, so there will be -at the very least- 16 new names to be included today.
Who makes the final cut?
1946 | George Mikan**
1947
1948 | Dolph Schayes***
1949
1950 | Paul Arizin, Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman
1951
1952
1953
1954 | Bob Pettit
1955
1956 | Bill Russell
1957 | Sam Jones
1958 | Elgin Baylor, Hal Greer
1959 | Wilt Chamberlain
1960 | Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Lenny Wilkens
1961
1962 | Dave DeBusschere, John Havlicek, Jerry Lucas
1963 | Nate Thurmond
1964 | Willis Reed
1965 | Rick Barry, Billy Cunningham
1966 | Dave Bing
1967 | Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe
1968 | Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld
1969 | Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
1970 | Nate Archibald, Dave Cowens, Pete Maravich
1971
1972 | Julius Erving, Bob McAdoo
1973
1974 | George Gervin, Moses Malone*, Bill Walton
1975
1976 | Robert Parish
1977
1978 | Larry Bird
1979 | Magic Johnson
1980 | Kevin McHale
1981 | Isiah Thomas
1982 | Dominique Wilkins, James Worthy
1983 | Clyde Drexler
1984 | Charles Barkley, Michael Jordan, Hakeem Olajuwon, John Stockton
1985 | Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone
1986 | Dennis Rodman
1987 | Reggie Miller, Scottie Pippen, David Robinson
1988
1989
1990 | Gary Payton
1991
1992 | Shaquille O'Neal
1993
1994 | Jason Kidd
1995 | Kevin Garnett
1996 | Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash
1997 | Tim Duncan
1998 | Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003 | Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade
2004
2005 | Chris Paul
2006
2007 | Kevin Durant
2008 | Russell Westbrook
2009 | Stephen Curry, James Harden
2010
2011 | Kawhi Leonard
2012 | Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard
2013 | Giannis Antetokounmpo
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2020
2021
*Moses Malone was drafted in the ABA in 1974
** George Mikan played in the inaugural year of the NBA
*** Dolph Schayes was drafted in the BAA in 1948
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