Perhaps the question is too broad. But I wonder why in Balkanic countries like Serbia, Croatia or Slovenia they speak Slavic languages, but not a Romance language like is the case in Spain, France or Italy.
Where did Slavic languages originate, and what made them overcome the presence of Latin?
If you know the reason why any other ex Roman territory where they don't speak a Romance language in the present I'd be very interested to hear it.
Thank you in advance!
Title says it all. Why is it romance languages only developed in those specific areas? Or did some languages do develop but then died? It would be super interesting to hear what those languages might have sounded like! Apologies if a similar question has already asked, I am on mobile and the search function super sucks. Or if this would have been better placed in a different subreddit
Tbh, I would chose Dacian.
Especially TV shows
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(not enough poll options so Slovenian and Romanian gotta go and Serbo-Croatian gets lumped into one, don't come for me)
I was curious if you know at least some word from each language spoken in the Balkans. This includes unofficial languages like Roma, Hungarian, Slovak, German or other languages that are spoken by minorities in the Balkans.
I know most of you probably prioritize learning, say, German over a closer country's language. I find this a bit sad but still, what'd be the language you're most likely to learn?
My answer is probably Romanian. The second one probably Hungarian and the third one probably Albanian, then maybe Bulgarian. If i'm left with any RAM in my brain probably Turkish.
I'm thinking about languages like the Pre-Greek substrate, sometimes called "Pelasgian" or "Aegean", or generally about any language spoken by the inhabitants of "Old Europe" before the Indo-European migrations.
To make a more specific example, let's assume that a non-Indo-European language was spoken across some islands of the Aegean, like the Cyclades and Rhodes; would it be realistic to think that the language might have survived after the Mycenean (and therefore Indo-European) colonization/conquest of the islands around 1450 BC, and perhaps continued to be spoken by farmers and other illiterate parts of the population during the Mycenean rule and during the Greek Dark Ages (so up to the 8th century BC)?
Herodotus, for example, wrote (56-58) about the Pelasgians and reported that the inhabitants of Placia and Scylace (in Ancient Mysia, so present-day Sea of Marmara) and of the 'city of Creston' (it is unclear if Creston referred to Kreston in Ancient Macedonia or to the Etruscan city of Cortona/Curtun) still spoke a non-Greek language, perhaps being or having originated from Pelasgian, during his times.
>For the people of Creston and Placia have a language of their own in common, which is not the language of their neighbours; and it is plain that they still preserve the fashion of speech which they brought with them in their migration into the places where they dwell.
Thanks in advance for any answers.
I’ve recently started learning a “romance” language and it made me wonder why certain areas of the Roman Empire seem to have had Latin stick as a foundation of their modern language whereas other areas that were occupied or a part of the empire for just as long or longer did not.
Currently trying learn Slovenian or Croatian but the resources for these languages seem to be kind of sparse as far as I can tell, especially when it comes to apps like Duolingo. I was honesty surprised Duolingo doesn’t have one of these languages and was wondering if we will ever see a course added for one?
"without its own country" = they don't have a country or autonomous region of their own
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The languages, which the server and its channel focus on, include:
- Turkish
- Polish and Kashubian
- Czech
- Slovak
- Lower Lusatian and Upper Lusatian
- Russian
- Belarusian
- Ukrainian and Rusyn
- Slovenian
- Serbo-Croatian
- Macedonian
- Bulgarian
- Lithuanian
- Latvian
- German
- Latin
- Romanian
- Hungarian
- Finnish
- Estonian
We're also planning to branch out to other languages of the region (Italian, Greek, Albanian, Danish, Swedish, Georgian) as well, depending on the user demand.
How are we different from the other servers?
- Simple rules including the ban on speaking English, which means that the server is not about general conversations in English, but about actually learning the languages of the region.
- We are not a server for all languages of the world, we focus on a specific region, so there is also a room for the less popular languages, unlike on the other servers, where such languages are put into the "other" channel.
I feel there is a demand for some serious content (historical but also mixing with the locals) in these regions. So much history. Bald's trip to Albania wasn't great, his videos aren't kinda shit when he's not speaking Russian.
Anyone out there vlogging in these areas?
[Srpskohrvatski Serbo-Croatian] (English lower)
Htjeli bismo da svih pozovemo u -L-, novi Diskord server za ljude, koji hoće učiti jezike Srednje Europe i Balkana, razgovarati s govornicima, a takođe i čisto za razgovore o lingvistici. Kod nas sada ima materinskih govornika 18 raznih jezika regije i ovaj broj stalno raste!
Jezici, za koje osnivan je ovaj server i za koje već imamo kanale:
- Poljski i Kašupski
- Češki
- Slovački
- Lužički jezici
- Ruski i Beloruski
- Ukrajinski i Rusinski
- Slovenski
- Hrvatski, Bosanski, Srpski, Crnogorski (Srpskohrvatski)
- Makedonski
- Bugarski
- Litavski
- Letonski
- Njemački
- Latinski
- Rumunjski
- Mađarski
- Finski
- Estonski
- Turski
Planiramo da se raširimo za druge jezike regije, zavisi to od broja korisnika, koji htednu da dodamo dati jezik (norveški, grčki, talijanski, možda i druge).
U čemu je razlika između nas i drugih servera?
- Jednostavne pravila, u tome zabrana na razgovore na engleskom, zahvaljujući čemu server ne promjenjuje se u mjesto za razgovore na engleskom, a u server za učenje jezika regije (Srednje Europe i Balkana)
- Nije to server za sve jezike sveta, fokusiramo se na regije, zbog toga ovde ima mjesta i za manje popularne jezike, za razliku od drugih servera, gdje takvi jezici su bacani u kanal "druge".
https://discord.gg/GJzCbr8kfm
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[English Engleski]
We invite you all to -L-, a new server, which was created to help each other learn the languages of Central Europe and the Balkan Peninsula, chat with native speakers of these languages, and discuss about linguistics. At the moment, we have native speakers of 15 different languages of the region, and this number is steadily growing!
The languages, which the server and its channel focus on, include:
- Polish and Kashubian
- Czech
- Slovak
- Lower Lusatian and Upper Lusatian
- Russian
- Belarusian
- Ukrainian and Rusyn
- Slovenian
- Serbo-Croatian
- Macedonian
- Bulgarian
- Lithuanian
- Latvian
- German
- Latin
- Romanian
- Hungarian
- Finnish
- Estonian
- Turkish
We're also planning to branch out to other languages of the region as well, depending on the user demand.
How are we different from the other servers?
- Simple rules including the ban on speaking English, which means that the serv
Dreaming of at least not paying rent again in my life
We invite you all to -L-, a new server, which was created to help each other learn the languages of Central Europe and the Balkan Peninsula, chat with native speakers of these languages, and discuss about linguistics. At the moment, we have native speakers of 15 different languages of the region, and this number is steadily growing!
The languages, which the server and its channel focus on, include:
- Hungarian
- Polish and Kashubian
- Czech
- Slovak
- Lower Lusatian and Upper Lusatian
- Russian
- Belarusian
- Ukrainian and Rusyn
- Slovenian
- Serbo-Croatian
- Macedonian
- Bulgarian
- Lithuanian
- Latvian
- German
- Latin
- Romanian
- Turkish
- Finnish
- Estonian
We're also planning to branch out to other languages of the region (Italian, Greek, Albanian, Danish, Swedish, Georgian) as well, depending on the user demand.
How are we different from the other servers?
- Simple rules including the ban on speaking English, which means that the server is not about general conversations in English, but about actually learning the languages of the region.
- We are not a server for all languages of the world, we focus on a specific region, so there is also a room for the less popular languages, unlike on the other servers, where such languages are put into the "other" channel.
We invite you all to -L-, a new server, which was created to help each other learn the languages of Central Europe and the Balkan Peninsula, chat with native speakers of these languages, and discuss about linguistics. At the moment, we have native speakers of 23 different languages of the region, and this number is steadily growing!
The languages, which the server and its channel focus on, include:
- Finnish
- Estonian
- Italian
- Latin
- Romanian
- Greek
- German
- Turkish
- Albanian
- Polish and Kashubian
- Czech, Slovak and Lusatian
- Russian and Belorussian
- Ukrainian and Rusyn
- Slovenian
- Serbo-Croatian
- Macedonian
- Bulgarian
- Lithuanian
- Latvian
- Hungarian
We're also planning to branch out to other languages of the region (Danish, Swedish, Georgian) as well, depending on the user demand.
How are we different from the other servers?
- Simple rules including the ban on speaking English, which means that the server is not about general conversations in English, but about actually learning the languages of the region.
- We are not a server for all languages of the world, we focus on a specific region, so there is also a room for the less popular languages, unlike on the other servers, where such languages are put into the "other" channel.
[Srpskohrvatski Serbo-Croatian] (English lower)
Htjeli bismo da svih pozovemo u -L-, novi Diskord server za ljude, koji hoće učiti jezike Srednje Europe i Balkana, razgovarati s govornicima, a takođe i čisto za razgovore o lingvistici. Kod nas sada ima materinskih govornika 18 raznih jezika regije i ovaj broj stalno raste!
Jezici, za koje osnivan je ovaj server i za koje već imamo kanale:
- Poljski i Kašupski
- Češki
- Slovački
- Lužički jezici
- Ruski i Beloruski
- Ukrajinski i Rusinski
- Slovenski
- Hrvatski, Bosanski, Srpski, Crnogorski (Srpskohrvatski)
- Makedonski
- Bugarski
- Litavski
- Letonski
- Njemački
- Latinski
- Rumunjski
- Mađarski
- Finski
- Estonski
- Turski
Planiramo da se raširimo za druge jezike regije, zavisi to od broja korisnika, koji htednu da dodamo dati jezik (norveški, grčki, talijanski, možda i druge).
U čemu je razlika između nas i drugih servera?
- Jednostavne pravila, u tome zabrana na razgovore na engleskom, zahvaljujući čemu server ne promjenjuje se u mjesto za razgovore na engleskom, a u server za učenje jezika regije (Srednje Europe i Balkana)
- Nije to server za sve jezike sveta, fokusiramo se na regije, zbog toga ovde ima mjesta i za manje popularne jezike, za razliku od drugih servera, gdje takvi jezici su bacani u kanal "druge".
https://discord.gg/4nsvtdvTvA
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[English Engleski]
We invite you all to -L-, a new server, which was created to help each other learn the languages of Central Europe and the Balkan Peninsula, chat with native speakers of these languages, and discuss about linguistics. At the moment, we have native speakers of 15 different languages of the region, and this number is steadily growing!
The languages, which the server and its channel focus on, include:
- Polish and Kashubian
- Czech
- Slovak
- Lower Lusatian and Upper Lusatian
- Russian
- Belarusian
- Ukrainian and Rusyn
- Slovenian
- Serbo-Croatian
- Macedonian
- Bulgarian
- Lithuanian
- Latvian
- German
- Latin
- Romanian
- Hungarian
- Finnish
- Estonian
- Turkish
We're also planning to branch out to other languages of the region as well, depending on the user demand.
How are we different from the other servers?
- Simple rules including the ban on speaking English, which means that the server is not about general conversations in English, but abo
[РУССКИЙ RUSSIAN] (English, Polski, Čeština, Srpski/Hrvatski ↓↓↓)
Приглашаем всех на -L-, новый сервер Дискорд создан для людей, которые хотят изучать языки Центральной/Восточной Европы и Балканского полуострова, общаться с носителями этих языков, а также чисто для разговоров о языкознании. На данный момент у нас носители 20 разных языков региона, и это число постоянно растет!
Языки, для которых предусмотрен сервер и его каналы:
- Польский и Кашубский
- Чешский
- Словацкий
- Нижнелужицкий и Верхнелужицкий языки
- Русский и Белорусский
- Украинский и Русинский
- Словенский
- Сербо-хорватский
- Македонский
- Болгарский
- Литовский
- Латвийский
- Немецкий
- Латынь
- Румынский
- Венгерский
- Финский
- Эстонский
- Турецкий
Планируется расширение на другие языки региона (итальянский, греческий, грузинский, армянский?), но это будет зависеть от того, сколько членов сервера захочет добавить данный язык.
Чем же мы отличаемся от других серверов?
- Простые правила, в том запрет на разговоры на английском языке, благодаря чему сервер не превращается в место разговоров на английском, а в сервер для изучения языков региона.
- Этот сервер не является сервером для всех языков мира, мы сосредоточиваемся на определенном регионе, поэтому здесь есть место и для менее популярных языков, в отличии от других серверов, где такие языки просто скинуты в канал «другие».
https://discord.gg/GJzCbr8kfm
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Zveme všechny na L, nový server Discord je vytvořen pro lidi, kteří se chtějí učit jazyky střední Evropy a Balkánského poloostrova, komunikovat s rodilými mluvčími a také čistě pro konverzace o lingvistice. V současné době hovoříme 20 různými jazyky z regionu a jejich počet neustále roste!
Jazyky, pro které existuje server, a jeho kanály:
- Polština a Kašubština
- Čeština
- Slovenština
- Dolnolužičtina a Hornolužičtina
- Ruština
- Běloruština
- Ukrajinština a rusínština
- Slovinština
- Srbochorvatština
- Chorvatština
- Bulharština
- Litevština
- Lotyština
- Němčina
- Latina
- Rumunština
- Maďarština
- Turečtina
Plánujeme rozšíření na další jazyky regionu, záleželo by na tom, kolik uživatelů by chtělo tento jazyk přidat.
V čem se lišíme od ostatních serverů?
- Jednoduchá pravidla, včetně zákazu mluvení v angličtině, aby server nebyl místem, kde se mluví anglicky, ale serv
We invite you all to -L-, a new server, which was created to help each other learn the languages of Central Europe and the Balkan Peninsula (but not only!), chat with native speakers of these languages, and discuss about linguistics. At the moment, we have native speakers of 20 different languages of the region, and this number is steadily growing!
The languages, which the server and its channel focus on, include:
- Turkish
- Italian
- German
- Norwegian
- Albanian
- Greek
- Polish and Kashubian
- Czech
- Slovak
- Lower Lusatian and Upper Lusatian
- Russian
- Belarusian
- Ukrainian and Rusyn
- Slovenian
- Serbo-Croatian
- Macedonian
- Bulgarian
- Lithuanian
- Latvian
- Latin
- Romanian
- Hungarian
- Finnish
- Estonian
We're also planning to branch out to other languages of the region (Danish, Swedish, Georgian) as well, depending on the user demand.
How are we different from the other servers?
- Simple rules including the ban on speaking English, which means that the server is not about general conversations in English, but about actually learning the languages of the region.
- We are not a server for all languages of the world, we focus on a specific region, so there is also a room for the less popular languages, unlike on the other servers, where such languages are put into the "other" channel.
