Edomite language Puns

Just generally curious if there’s genetic evidence that Edomites and Hebrew people had a shared ancestor that would have made a basis for the story of Jacob and Esau. I found a comment here from three years ago where someone claimed that the Edomites had a language that was similar enough to Hebrew that they could recognize each other as linguistically related. It was also stated that Hebrew takes on the Edomites may have been more sympathetic compared to others.

I realize that a shared ancestry will eventually exist if you go back far enough for any group, but wondering if it shows up in BCs roughly where it’s claimed in the story. I also don’t have a lot of knowledge about what the possibilities are with genetically comparing people back to those eras through either people alive right now or through very old remains.

I raise a question about Herod's ethnicity.

Herod is certainly a complex historical figure, a brutal ruler who, at the same time, arguably advanced Hebrew interests. Herod may have delayed by almost a century the Roman decimation of Judea. He may have done so by:

• keeping order and loyalty to Rome
• such brilliant projects as the artificial port of Caesarea, useful and profitable to the Romans.

It has apparently become commonplace to identify Herod as having had "Arab" parents:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_eJqsnPknM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/history/herod.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great
>Thus Herod was ethnically an Arab from both sides.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Herod-king-of-Judaea
>Thus, Herod was of Arab origin, although he was a practicing Jew.

But these statements may be too simplistic and inaccurate.

Herod's father was Idumaean, and his mother a Nabataean from Petra.

The Idumaeans, or Edomites, are usually identified as descendants of Esau, not Ishmael. They were Northwestern Semites, not Arab.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edomite_language
>Edomite was a Northwest Semitic Canaanite language, very similar to Hebrew, Ekronite, Ammonite, Phoenician, Amorite and Sutean, spoken by the Edomites in southwestern Jordan and parts of Israel in the 2nd and 1st millennium BCE.

Further, by the time of Herod, the Edomites had been absorbed into Hasmonean Judaism. They had become Hebrews, not Arabs.

Nabataeans were a nomadic tribe covering a significant portion of the ancient Middle East. But were these Nabataeans identical to modern-day Arabs? Two reasons for doubt are their religion and their language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataeans
>They later converted to Christianity during the Later Roman Era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataean_Aramaic
>Nabataean Aramaic was the Aramaic variety used in inscriptions by the Nabataeans of the Negev, the east bank of the Jordan River and the Sinai Peninsula.

The early Nabataean use of Aramaic language raises the possibility that the ancient Nabataean origins may have been closer to the Phoenicians and Israelites than to modern-day Arabs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic
>Aramaic languages are written in the Aramaic alphabet, a descendant of the Phoenician alphabet

But the Phoenician alphabet and

This story starts with magi.

🪄With Fankincense, myrrh, and gold, all of which Nabatea* is famous for.

Then, 🪄 John the Baptist -- in a camel coat, hello -- protests Herod for divorcing the daughter of Nabataean King Aretas.

Maybe you know him? He was protecting the Earliest Christians?

🪄2 Corinthians 11:24 Paul the Apostle "In Damascus the governor under King Aretas had the city of the Damascenes guarded in order to arrest me"

🪄The Damascus Document (both at Qumran Caves in Israel and Cairo, Egypt ) is about Essenes leaving Judea for Nabataean Damascus.

One of the the scrolls with the rare expression for First Century Judea, "Son of God", is a papyrus written in Nabatean Aramaic.

Josephus, the Jewish historian says the Nabataean range was from Euphrates to the Red Sea and that Nabataeans ar are Ishmael's eldest brother, while King Herod was an Edomite (yep, not ethnically Jewish).

Genesis 15:18 "from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates"

Guess what other text talked about re-uniting the Euphrates under a Greater Israel? Isaiah.

Luke 4:17-21 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor."

Oh and the Essenes wrote in first-person God, while the Pharisees would not pronounce the name G--d, that's why they were not in harmony with Jesus.

"For He will heal the wounded, and revive the dead and bring good news to the poor"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/4Q521

I don't want to step on anybody's toes here, but the amount of non-dad jokes here in this subreddit really annoys me. First of all, dad jokes CAN be NSFW, it clearly says so in the sub rules. Secondly, it doesn't automatically make it a dad joke if it's from a conversation between you and your child. Most importantly, the jokes that your CHILDREN tell YOU are not dad jokes. The point of a dad joke is that it's so cheesy only a dad who's trying to be funny would make such a joke. That's it. They are stupid plays on words, lame puns and so on. There has to be a clever pun or wordplay for it to be considered a dad joke.

Again, to all the fellow dads, I apologise if I'm sounding too harsh. But I just needed to get it off my chest.

Alot of great jokes get posted here! However just because you have a joke, doesn't mean it's a dad joke.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT NSFW, THIS IS ABOUT LONG JOKES, BLONDE JOKES, SEXUAL JOKES, KNOCK KNOCK JOKES, POLITICAL JOKES, ETC BEING POSTED IN A DAD JOKE SUB

Try telling these sexual jokes that get posted here, to your kid and see how your spouse likes it.. if that goes well, Try telling one of your friends kid about your sex life being like Coca cola, first it was normal, than light and now zero , and see if the parents are OK with you telling their kid the "dad joke"

I'm not even referencing the NSFW, I'm saying Dad jokes are corny, and sometimes painful, not sexual

So check out r/jokes for all types of jokes

r/unclejokes for dirty jokes

r/3amjokes for real weird and alot of OC

r/cleandadjokes If your really sick of seeing not dad jokes in r/dadjokes

Punchline !

Edit: this is not a post about NSFW , This is about jokes, knock knock jokes, blonde jokes, political jokes etc being posted in a dad joke sub

Edit 2: don't touch the thermostat

Do your worst!

Ants don’t even have the concept fathers, let alone a good dad joke. Keep r/ants out of my r/dadjokes.

But no, seriously. I understand rule 7 is great to have intelligent discussion, but sometimes it feels like 1 in 10 posts here is someone getting upset about the jokes on this sub. Let the mods deal with it, they regulate the sub.

They were cooked in Greece.

I'm surprised it hasn't decade.

Don't you know a good pun is its own reword?

Two muffins are in an oven, one muffin looks at the other and says "is it just me, or is it hot in here?"

Then the other muffin says "AHH, TALKING MUFFIN!!!"

I've recently encountered two recurring topics in my discussions with people around the Israel / Palestine conflict, in which aggressively pro-Israel or pro-Palestine people will make arguments about the supposed indigenousness or lack thereof of the other group using the same basic tactics: a surface familiarity with history, archeology, and linguistics ... and a desire to bludgeon a simple, rhetorically compelling narrative out of a complex, multifaceted historical reality that does not support it.

I'm going to write two posts (of which this is the first) to lay out the body of historical, archeological, genetic and linguistic facts that rebut these arguments. I'd love to see some dialogue here, and am glad to answer follow up questions or respond to counterarguments -- but my main goal is to provide the facts.

The first topic will be the historicity of Palestine and a Palestinian identity; in my next post, I'll discuss the argument that one or the other group has a special claim to indigenousness to the region.

Skip to the tl;dr at the end if you just want the gist.

Topic 1: "The Palestinian identity was invented by [whoever]," vs. "Palestine and the Palestinians have existed for thousands of years."

At the core of each of these arguments is the desire to paint one group as being the native cultural "owners" of Israel / Palestine (ie, everything between Egypt and Lebanon, and between the river and the sea... called 'the land' from here), and the other group as not being a part of that native cultural ownership.

This desire drives Arab identification with 'Palestine' and 'Palestinian', and Israeli desire to use terms like 'Judea and Samaria' vs. 'The West Bank', and so on.

It also drives the often repeated (but incorrect) belief that the Romans renamed Judea to Syria Palaestina as an intentional, insulting reference to the Jews' ancient enemy, the Philistines... or the frequent citation by pro-Palestinians of English-language references to Palestine as evidence of an unbroken chain of indigenous Palestinian culture in the southern Levant.

As with any good, compelling piece of propaganda, these arguments create a conclusion that is a lie by stringing together a lot of details that are either true, or half true. In other words, each of these arguments is partially true, and partially false. When you lay out all the relevant information in order, it's easy to see why.

Canaan and the Canaanites

At the beginning of the 13th centur

For context I'm a Refuse Driver (Garbage man) & today I was on food waste. After I'd tipped I was checking the wagon for any defects when I spotted a lone pea balanced on the lifts.

I said "hey look, an escaPEA"

No one near me but it didn't half make me laugh for a good hour or so!

Edit: I can't believe how much this has blown up. Thank you everyone I've had a blast reading through the replies 😂

It really does, I swear!

And now I’m cannelloni

Because she wanted to see the task manager.

But that’s comparing apples to oranges

And boy are my arms legs.

Heard they've been doing some shady business.

but then I remembered it was ground this morning.

Edit: Thank you guys for the awards, they're much nicer than the cardboard sleeve I've been using and reassures me that my jokes aren't stale

Edit 2: I have already been made aware that Men In Black 3 has told a version of this joke before. If the joke is not new to you, please enjoy any of the single origin puns in the comments

BamBOO!

They’re on standbi

A play on words.

My daughter, Chewbecca, not so much.

Pilot on me!!

Christopher Walken

How the hell am I suppose to know when it’s raining in Sweden?

Nothing, he was gladiator.

Dad jokes are supposed to be jokes you can tell a kid and they will understand it and find it funny.

This sub is mostly just NSFW puns now.

If it needs a NSFW tag it's not a dad joke. There should just be a NSFW puns subreddit for that.

Edit* I'm not replying any longer and turning off notifications but to all those that say "no one cares", there sure are a lot of you arguing about it. Maybe I'm wrong but you people don't need to be rude about it. If you really don't care, don't comment.

Or would that be too forward thinking?

At work, I have a workstation.

edit: cheers u/cheer_up_richard

What did 0 say to 8 ?

" Nice Belt "

So What did 3 say to 8 ?

" Hey, you two stop making out "

When I got home, they were still there.

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I won't be doing that today!

Hindus, on the other hand, never had any beef.